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Tuesday, October 6, 2009

[asterisk-biz] Druid

Who out there has used Druid? What did you think?

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Billing?

Chiming in a bit late here.

You get what you pay for. I have been a client of Enswitch for over two years and have been nothing but happy. If you have a maojor problem at 4:00 AM they are there for you. If you have a problem (even when it may not be an issue in their software) they will work until the issue is resolved. Most companies are 9-5 where after 5 PM there is no one to talk to.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Michael Schwartzman <carrierroutes@gmail.com> wrote:

Enswich is overpriced... if you start using it you will be paying him for all ur life.. screw it!!!
Look at BillBery by jerasoft very good billing.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov@evaristesys.com> wrote:

Alistair Cunningham wrote:

> Frankly, interest in connecting TDM trunks to Enswitch declines each
> year, and almost all new customers are 100% SIP. Even older customers
> are gradually replacing TDM with SIP.

Also, I agree with this stance. There's nothing wrong with a pure-SIP
service delivery platform; Broadsoft is doing just fine. :-)

Bringing the calls into Enswitch over a hard circuit depends on TDM
support that - for all the evolution of the technology over the last few
years - is still sometimes flaky, and limits the scalability, dynamic
organisation and high availability of the platform. Specifically, it
ties call acceptance (and perhaps processing) to a particular host into
which the circuit is plugged.

It is much wiser to use outside TDM->SIP gateways. They are more
robust, have lower mean time between failure, interoperate better, and
allow the platform the fluidity of existing in a pure IP space.

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Monday, October 5, 2009

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATAs Was: Re: OEM ATA

I got one Utstarcom iAN-02EX from ebay. it works! it comes with 2 FXS and 1 FXO.

From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:50 PM

To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion

Subject: [asterisk-biz] ATAs Was: Re: OEM ATA

Actually, is there anything else widely available anymore other than Grandstream (which doesn't have a good rep on this list) and Linksys?

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From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:49 PM

To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com

Subject: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

Does anyone know of a company that OEMs ATA components out for integration into other devices?

I have used ATCom ATAs in the past because they do IAX and SIP (though not for OEM work). Does anyone else produce a similar product?

We're looking at low cost (though it doesn't have to be lowest). IAX seems to be the easiest way to do QoS.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] (Fwd) Low cost voip ATA, clearance stock

Has anyone used this brand before? Is it anygood?

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Subject: [asterisk-biz] (Fwd) Low cost voip ATA, clearance stock

> FYI
>
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>
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[asterisk-biz] ATAs Was: Re: OEM ATA

Actually, is there anything else widely available anymore other than Grandstream (which doesn't have a good rep on this list) and Linksys?

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From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:49 PM

To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com

Subject: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

Does anyone know of a company that OEMs ATA components out for integration into other devices?

I have used ATCom ATAs in the past because they do IAX and SIP (though not for OEM work). Does anyone else produce a similar product?

We're looking at low cost (though it doesn't have to be lowest). IAX seems to be the easiest way to do QoS.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
> bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:25 PM
>
> The proper approach to this problem is to have the CPE set a DiffServ
> codepoint bit (e.g. EF) on RTP packets, rather like the 'tosaudio'
> parameter in sip.conf in Asterisk. This bit can then be matched on
> and prioritised (and propogated upstream if need be).
>
> I am under the impression this is something most CPE can do.

Certainly would agree, however, do upstream providers strip or modify
DSCP?

We use Comcast and I'm reasonably sure that they're rewriting DSCP to
0x20/cs1 on anything above 0x00. My initial plan for QoS was to use DSCP
but it seems various traffic (including, but not all, VoIP) was tagged
the same 0x20 from them so it was pointless for us.

In a simple router situation I can see QoS being easier with IAX as you
simply prioritize udp/4569. We're using PIX/ASA so we do SIP inspect,
prioritize the RTP and rate limit all other traffic to below 80% of our
purchased service. It's not DSCP but we're unable to use a true DSCP
method due to our upstream.

So far so good, it works well for us on a small scale.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

The proper approach to this problem is to have the CPE set a DiffServ
codepoint bit (e.g. EF) on RTP packets, rather like the 'tosaudio'
parameter in sip.conf in Asterisk. This bit can then be matched on
and prioritised (and propogated upstream if need be).

I am under the impression this is something most CPE can do.

Mike Hammett wrote:

> Prioritizing UDP port 4569 vs. god knows what for SIP. I can't prioritize
> my own servers, but I can prioritize a technology.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

1) It's Linksys

2) I highly doubt Cisco is going to let someone build PAP2s inside other devices.

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From: Yaro Donchenko

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:56 PM

To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion

Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

What is a problem with Linksys PAP2?

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Mike Hammett wrote:

Does anyone know of a company that OEMs ATA components out for integration into other devices?

I have used ATCom ATAs in the past because they do IAX and SIP (though not for OEM work). Does anyone else produce a similar product?

We're looking at low cost (though it doesn't have to be lowest). IAX seems to be the easiest way to do QoS.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

Prioritizing UDP port 4569 vs. god knows what for SIP. I can't prioritize
my own servers, but I can prioritize a technology.

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--------------------------------------------------
From: "Alex Balashov" <abalashov@evaristesys.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:53 PM
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"
<asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> IAX seems to be the easiest way to do QoS.
>
> What gave you that impression?
>
> --
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

Stephen Davies wrote:

> 2009/10/5 Alex Balashov <abalashov@evaristesys.com
> <mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com>>
>
> David Gibbons wrote:
> It seems rather akin to saying that I should not be upset if I return
> to find my car dynamited to bits, because it was my fault I left it
> parked on a public street without hiring guards or paramilitaries to
> watch it.
>
>
> Which is what people have to do in some places. �So be happy.

Relativistic arguments like this are not persuasive in moral and legal
questions.

"Steal your TV? At least they didn't kill you, so be happy."

"Oh yeah? Well, it was even worse in the gulag..."

It just doesn't carry much weight. It's specious.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

What is a problem with Linksys PAP2?

Best Regards,
Yaro Donchenko
Logic Voice
- The NEW Revolution in Voice Communications
Direct: (718) 928-6700
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MSN: ydonchenko@logicvoice.com
Jabber: ydonchenko@logicvoice.com

Mike Hammett wrote:

Does anyone know of a company that OEMs ATA components out for integration into other devices?

I have used ATCom ATAs in the past because they do IAX and SIP (though not for OEM work). Does anyone else produce a similar product?

We're looking at low cost (though it doesn't have to be lowest). IAX seems to be the easiest way to do QoS.

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http://www.ics-il.com
 
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

2009/10/5 Alex Balashov <abalashov@evaristesys.com>

David Gibbons wrote:
It seems rather akin to saying that I should not be upset if I return
to find my car dynamited to bits, because it was my fault I left it
parked on a public street without hiring guards or paramilitaries to
watch it.

Which is what people have to do in some places. So be happy.

Steve

Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

Mike Hammett wrote:

> IAX seems to be the easiest way to do QoS.

What gave you that impression?

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[asterisk-biz] OEM ATA

Does anyone know of a company that OEMs ATA components out for integration into other devices?

I have used ATCom ATAs in the past because they do IAX and SIP (though not for OEM work). Does anyone else produce a similar product?

We're looking at low cost (though it doesn't have to be lowest). IAX seems to be the easiest way to do QoS.

-----
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

The point is still valid.
In the real world (as oppose to cyber) where we have governments that
will lock up those people the rules are a bit different. But in cyber
world where complete anarchy rules you should put good protective bars
and locks on your doors, otherwise YOU are at fault because YOU knew
that they WILL show up and without protection your only tool to punish
them (hence controlling them) will be bitching on an unrelated user
list.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM, C F <shmaltz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ron Arts <ron.arts@neonova.nl> wrote:
>> Alex Balashov schreef:
>>> David Gibbons wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I leave my doors unlocked and someone 'breaks' into my house, I don't
>>>> get to be angry because it's really my fault.
>>>
>>> Proceeding from the reference frame of contemporary legal norms in
>>> Western societies, this logic is difficult to follow.
>>>
>>> It seems rather akin to saying that I should not be upset if I return
>>> to find my car dynamited to bits, because it was my fault I left it
>>> parked on a public street without hiring guards or paramilitaries to
>>> watch it.
>>>
>>
>> And this only being a small step to:
>>
>> 'you shouldn't have dressed so provocatively, so it's your own fault for being raped..'
>
> Are you trying to say that those that believe so really think that the
> rapist is not at fault?
> If you look it up you'll see that those who politically advocate the
> above statement are actually at odds with those that politically blame
> society for the crimes that criminals commit.
>
>>
>> Even if you leave the backdoor open, it's still the burglars' 'fault',
>> or does anyone think he shouldn't be punished?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ron Arts <ron.arts@neonova.nl> wrote:
> Alex Balashov schreef:
>> David Gibbons wrote:
>>
>>> If I leave my doors unlocked and someone 'breaks' into my house, I don't
>>> get to be angry because it's really my fault.
>>
>> Proceeding from the reference frame of contemporary legal norms in
>> Western societies, this logic is difficult to follow.
>>
>> It seems rather akin to saying that I should not be upset if I return
>> to find my car dynamited to bits, because it was my fault I left it
>> parked on a public street without hiring guards or paramilitaries to
>> watch it.
>>
>
> And this only being a small step to:
>
> 'you shouldn't have dressed so provocatively, so it's your own fault for being raped..'

Are you trying to say that those that believe so really think that the
rapist is not at fault?
If you look it up you'll see that those who politically advocate the
above statement are actually at odds with those that politically blame
society for the crimes that criminals commit.

>
> Even if you leave the backdoor open, it's still the burglars' 'fault',
> or does anyone think he shouldn't be punished?
>
> Ron
>
>
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

David Gibbons wrote:

> To be clear, you only have yourself to BLAME if you leave your
> doors unlocked. That's not to say that the break-in was right,
> justified or legal, just that you should have used a measure of
> caution.

That depends on how one chooses to direct blame, and why. Blame can
be directed either at a failure to prevent a preventable event, or at
the human agency that perpetrated said event irrespectively of efforts
(or lack of them) to prevent it.

When corporate managers in large-company CYA cultures, clerical
bureaucrats, government administrators and the like issue blame, for
example, they generally pick whichever of those options fits the goal
of political expediency and minimises their own culpability.
Sometimes you blame the perpetrator, and sometimes you blame someone's
"failure to act," just depending on where exactly you are looking for
the chips to fall, who is in the way of your career at the moment, who
you think should be demonised by the Two Minutes' Hate of the day,
and so on.

> I'm not saying that there's no culpability for crooks, I'm saying
> that just like driving defensively, we need to be proactive about
> security. If someone registers a phone against your SIP server and
> uses 10k long distance minutes across the globe, your upstream
> provider will likely not have any sympathy for you. We have no one
> to blame but ourselves when we overlook security.

There can be no argument with that.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 10:48 -0400, David Gibbons wrote:

> To be clear, you only have yourself to BLAME if you leave your doors unlocked. That's not to say that the break-in was right, justified or legal, just that you should have used a measure of caution.
>
and if they pick the locks you have only yourself to blame for not
getting better ones. And if they use a backhoe and crush the wall on
your house to get in, you have only yourself to blame because you should
have had stronger walls. And so on.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

David Gibbons wrote:

> Perhaps I should have said 'if someone breaks into my unlocked house
> and steals all of my possessions, I don't get to be mad...'.

I find that argument equally untenable, with reference to the same
underlying principle.

You should certainly behave pragmatically and realistically, which
means locking your house in recognition of the fact that there are
people out there that will try to burglarise it.

But the theory of liability that holds them accountable for it is not
dependent on the steps you took to limit the feasibility of the crime.
It's still burglary, unless you invited someone in and unequivocally
offered them your possessions.

I suspect all of this is beside the point, because the real thesis
here seems to be about the level of moral outrage or emotional
indignation that one ought to feel. That is difficult to codify
objectively; it is, in the end, a matter of personal choice and
disposition. Some people are doubtless inclined and able to approach
the disappearance of all their domestic possessions with a Zen-like
detachment, while others would bristle with rage if so much as a blade
of grass were pilfered from their front lawn.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

Wow, wow, wow!

I should have worded things a bit more clearly because my point seems to be misconstrued. Not the first time it's happened with vague analogies... :)

To be clear, you only have yourself to BLAME if you leave your doors unlocked. That's not to say that the break-in was right, justified or legal, just that you should have used a measure of caution.

I'm not saying that there's no culpability for crooks, I'm saying that just like driving defensively, we need to be proactive about security. If someone registers a phone against your SIP server and uses 10k long distance minutes across the globe, your upstream provider will likely not have any sympathy for you. We have no one to blame but ourselves when we overlook security.

The sad truth is that there are bad people out there who are doing bad things. We can wear the rose colored glasses all we want, but it's best to lock the doors before putting them on.

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Ron Arts
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:36 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

Alex Balashov schreef:
> David Gibbons wrote:
>
>> If I leave my doors unlocked and someone 'breaks' into my house, I don't
>> get to be angry because it's really my fault.
>
> Proceeding from the reference frame of contemporary legal norms in
> Western societies, this logic is difficult to follow.
>
> It seems rather akin to saying that I should not be upset if I return
> to find my car dynamited to bits, because it was my fault I left it
> parked on a public street without hiring guards or paramilitaries to
> watch it.
>

And this only being a small step to:

'you shouldn't have dressed so provocatively, so it's your own fault for being raped..'

Even if you leave the backdoor open, it's still the burglars' 'fault',
or does anyone think he shouldn't be punished?

Ron

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

Alex Balashov schreef:
> David Gibbons wrote:
>
>> If I leave my doors unlocked and someone 'breaks' into my house, I don't
>> get to be angry because it's really my fault.
>
> Proceeding from the reference frame of contemporary legal norms in
> Western societies, this logic is difficult to follow.
>
> It seems rather akin to saying that I should not be upset if I return
> to find my car dynamited to bits, because it was my fault I left it
> parked on a public street without hiring guards or paramilitaries to
> watch it.
>

And this only being a small step to:

'you shouldn't have dressed so provocatively, so it's your own fault for being raped..'

Even if you leave the backdoor open, it's still the burglars' 'fault',
or does anyone think he shouldn't be punished?

Ron

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

You make valid points.

Perhaps I should have said 'if someone breaks into my unlocked house and steals all of my possessions, I don't get to be mad...'.

The house isn't really the issue here, it's what's inside the house...

-Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:26 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

David Gibbons wrote:

> If I leave my doors unlocked and someone 'breaks' into my house, I don't
> get to be angry because it's really my fault.

Proceeding from the reference frame of contemporary legal norms in
Western societies, this logic is difficult to follow.

It seems rather akin to saying that I should not be upset if I return
to find my car dynamited to bits, because it was my fault I left it
parked on a public street without hiring guards or paramilitaries to
watch it.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

David Gibbons wrote:

> If I leave my doors unlocked and someone 'breaks' into my house, I don't
> get to be angry because it's really my fault.

Proceeding from the reference frame of contemporary legal norms in
Western societies, this logic is difficult to follow.

It seems rather akin to saying that I should not be upset if I return
to find my car dynamited to bits, because it was my fault I left it
parked on a public street without hiring guards or paramilitaries to
watch it.

--
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Evariste Systems
Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670
Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

Thanks for the response dave, i understand what you are saying but sometimes you loose your tamper when things go beyond expectation.

That’s what happened with me yesterday too, but I wrote a very decent email to Voxalot guys and they never responded back.

Expecting them to cooperate to find out the culprit if they are not involved in it.

Regards

Vijay Gandhi

GIPL(An ISO 9001:2000 Company)

+91-9811688460

+44-2080992384

vijay@gandhiinfotech.com

www.gandhiinfotech.com

From: David Gibbons [mailto:dave@videon-central.com]
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:49 PM
To: 'vijay@gandhiinfotech.com'; 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
Subject: RE: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

“Must”?

Maybe you ought to try NOT to put them on the defensive from the get-go. Adjust that tone and I’m sure you’ll have more luck.

If I leave my doors unlocked and someone ‘breaks’ into my house, I don’t get to be angry because it’s really my fault.

Install some security on your network (iptables is free) and you’ll be all set…

-Dave

From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Vijay Gandhi
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:07 PM
To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

If they are not involved in the attack, they must respond to the emails sent to them, with last attack on my server, I sent them emails quiet a few times, they don’t even bother to reply to it.

And yes, I have the logs and proofs to justify what I am saying, my side, hacking has been done twice from their IP , either they are responsible for it, or someone who is part of their network, with or without their knowledge.

If someone from Voxalot is reading this, reply to me personally or here itself if you want to get this sorted out.

Regards

Vijay Gandhi

GIPL(An ISO 9001:2000 Company)

+91-9811688460

+44-2080992384

vijay@gandhiinfotech.com

www.gandhiinfotech.com

From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nir Simionovich
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:12 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

Vijay,

Voxalot is one of the more respected and veteran companies in this sector, I doubt it
if they had personally been in charge of the hack attach you are describing. If you are
going to publicly claim that a certain company hacked your systems, I suggest that you
be able to back it up by some proper proof - or Voxalot may want to sue you for slander.

Nir S

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Nitzan Kon <nk3569@yahoo.com> wrote:

Just LOL!

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Vijay Gandhi <vijay@gandhiinfotech.com> wrote:

> Wanted to update everyone, that IP 64.34.173.199
> belong to a company Voxalot, they have hacked our system
> twice and they don’t
> even care to reply to any emails sent to them, and they
> don’t even
> respond over the phone, beware of them.

Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

Dave,

"If I leave my doors unlocked and someone 'breaks' into my house, I don't get to be
angry because it's really my fault."

Everything okay with you?

When I do not lock my doors, I trust people not to come in. _but I do not allow them to do so.

nobody has the right to open unlocked doors - people who do this

have to be locked bihind locked doors. ;-)

But a firewall always is a good idea.

cheers,

Martin

----- Original Message -----

From: David Gibbons

To: 'vijay@gandhiinfotech.com' ; 'Commercial andBusiness-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

"Must"?

Maybe you ought to try NOT to put them on the defensive from the get-go. Adjust that tone and I'm sure you'll have more luck.

If I leave my doors unlocked and someone 'breaks' into my house, I don't get to be angry because it's really my fault.

Install some security on your network (iptables is free) and you'll be all set…

-Dave

From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Vijay Gandhi
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:07 PM
To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

If they are not involved in the attack, they must respond to the emails sent to them, with last attack on my server, I sent them emails quiet a few times, they don't even bother to reply to it.

And yes, I have the logs and proofs to justify what I am saying, my side, hacking has been done twice from their IP , either they are responsible for it, or someone who is part of their network, with or without their knowledge.

If someone from Voxalot is reading this, reply to me personally or here itself if you want to get this sorted out.

Regards

Vijay Gandhi

GIPL(An ISO 9001:2000 Company)

+91-9811688460

+44-2080992384

vijay@gandhiinfotech.com

www.gandhiinfotech.com

From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nir Simionovich
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:12 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

Vijay,

Voxalot is one of the more respected and veteran companies in this sector, I doubt it
if they had personally been in charge of the hack attach you are describing. If you are
going to publicly claim that a certain company hacked your systems, I suggest that you
be able to back it up by some proper proof - or Voxalot may want to sue you for slander.

Nir S

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Nitzan Kon <nk3569@yahoo.com> wrote:

Just LOL!

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Vijay Gandhi <vijay@gandhiinfotech.com> wrote:

> Wanted to update everyone, that IP 64.34.173.199
> belong to a company Voxalot, they have hacked our system
> twice and they don't
> even care to reply to any emails sent to them, and they
> don't even
> respond over the phone, beware of them.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Hacking the network

“Must”?

Maybe you ought to try NOT to put them on the defensive from the get-go. Adjust that tone and I’m sure you’ll have more luck.

If I leave my doors unlocked and someone ‘breaks’ into my house, I don’t get to be angry because it’s really my fault.

Install some security on your network (iptables is free) and you’ll be all set…

-Dave

If they are not involved in the attack, they must respond to the emails sent to them, with last attack on my server, I sent them emails quiet a few times, they don’t even bother to reply to it.

If someone from Voxalot is reading this, reply to me personally or here itself if you want to get this sorted out.

Regards

Vijay Gandhi

GIPL(An ISO 9001:2000 Company)

+91-9811688460

+44-2080992384

vijay@gandhiinfotech.com

www.gandhiinfotech.com

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Nitzan Kon <nk3569@yahoo.com> wrote:

Just LOL!

Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk + click2talk + webphone

Doddle webphone is licensed per server(s) or per month (SaaS) basis

For further information about prices please contact: info AT doddephone DOT com (http://www.doddlephone.com)

Kind Regards

Sergio

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Dean Collins <Dean@cognation.net> wrote:

How much does it cost?

Why is there no licensing or pricing information on the website?

Is it licensed per server/per call/per month etc?

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Inc
dean@cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 New York
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
+44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).

From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Doddle WebPhone
Sent: Saturday, 3 October 2009 11:00 AM
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk + click2talk + webphone

Yes, It does receive calls too

You can off course prevent this on your Asterisk if you want

Regards

Sergio

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Rehan Allah Wala <rehan@supertec.com> wrote:

Hi Sergio,

does it receive calls also ?

>
> This can be useful for Asterisk / TI integrators:
>
> How to create a Free click2call application using Asterisk:
>
> We can build click2talk / webphone application empowering webpages with VoIP Telephony using online
> DoddlePhone and Asterisk
>
> Invoke doddle webphone (http://www.doddlephone.com) as follows:
> sipserver=Asterisk_SERVER&username=USER&password=PASSWORD&callto=PHONE_NUMBER_TO_
> CALL
>
> Just create sip account on Asterisk, define its route and trigger click2call as above
> Notice that we can set a fixed route / context to the click2talk sip peer.
>
> It is also possible to get a custom version of this application
> check outhttp://www.doddlephone.comfor details
>
> Regards
> Sergio

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President & CEO - Super Technologies Inc.

http://www.supertec.com/ - Internet Telephony Solutions

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk + click2talk + webphone

How much does it cost?

Why is there no licensing or pricing information on the website?

Is it licensed per server/per call/per month etc?

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Inc
dean@cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 New York
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
+44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).

From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Doddle WebPhone
Sent: Saturday, 3 October 2009 11:00 AM
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk + click2talk + webphone

Yes, It does receive calls too

You can off course prevent this on your Asterisk if you want

Regards

Sergio

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Rehan Allah Wala <rehan@supertec.com> wrote:

Hi Sergio,

does it receive calls also ?

>
> This can be useful for Asterisk / TI integrators:
>
> How to create a Free click2call application using Asterisk:
>
> We can build click2talk / webphone application empowering webpages with VoIP Telephony using online
> DoddlePhone and Asterisk
>
> Invoke doddle webphone (http://www.doddlephone.com) as follows:
> sipserver=Asterisk_SERVER&username=USER&password=PASSWORD&callto=PHONE_NUMBER_TO_
> CALL
>
> Just create sip account on Asterisk, define its route and trigger click2call as above
> Notice that we can set a fixed route / context to the click2talk sip peer.
>
> It is also possible to get a custom version of this application
> check outhttp://www.doddlephone.comfor details
>
> Regards
> Sergio

Rehan Ahmed AllahWala
President & CEO - Super Technologies Inc.

http://www.supertec.com/ - Internet Telephony Solutions

Don't Remember Me ? Visit http://www.Rehan.com

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