Thursday, April 30, 2009

Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 02:55 +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:
> You might be right, since it seems you know the story better that I
> do.

I never said that I know the story better, only that I remember what was
said at the time and what is said now is all new and different even
though its all supposed to be over the same time period and all that.


>
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

You might be right, since it seems you know the story better that I do.
Still it is not a pretty site for the company or their customers.

Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 02:01 +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:   
This is all I know http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2009/03/31/how-the-hell-happened-to-nufone/ sounds like a sad story....     
 http://voxilla.com/2005/07/01/voip-fraud-the-industrys-best-kept-secret-362  if you read that, it shows that he was selling a product he didnt understand - telephone minutes.  Further it shows that he was not paying attention to the terms of contracts and such, as a result he got hit with a lot of charges.  What is interesting is that the story appears to have changed slightly with the personal blog entry as opposed to what was said at the time that it started going south.  There are several articles quoting Jeremy talking about how he was "scammed"  because he was foolishly selling service for less than it cost him under terms that left him holding the bag.  Looking at it this way, if Best Buy is selling items for less than their cost,  and I buy them and sell them on ebay, I am not scamming them, they sold it below their cost I just bought as many as I could so I could turn a profit (and this really did happen with me, best buy, and mp3 players).  I see no difference with someone else selling something for below their cost without putting in contractual requirements.  The FCC also agrees with this in one case where they specifically said that its on carriers to file tariffs and do contracts that protect them and not complain after the fact that someone used a service they underpriced.     

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 02:01 +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:
> This is all I know
> http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2009/03/31/how-the-hell-happened-to-nufone/
> sounds like a sad story....

http://voxilla.com/2005/07/01/voip-fraud-the-industrys-best-kept-secret-362

if you read that, it shows that he was selling a product he didnt
understand - telephone minutes. Further it shows that he was not paying
attention to the terms of contracts and such, as a result he got hit
with a lot of charges. What is interesting is that the story appears to
have changed slightly with the personal blog entry as opposed to what
was said at the time that it started going south.

There are several articles quoting Jeremy talking about how he was
"scammed" because he was foolishly selling service for less than it
cost him under terms that left him holding the bag. Looking at it this
way, if Best Buy is selling items for less than their cost, and I buy
them and sell them on ebay, I am not scamming them, they sold it below
their cost I just bought as many as I could so I could turn a profit
(and this really did happen with me, best buy, and mp3 players). I see
no difference with someone else selling something for below their cost
without putting in contractual requirements. The FCC also agrees with
this in one case where they specifically said that its on carriers to
file tariffs and do contracts that protect them and not complain after
the fact that someone used a service they underpriced.


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Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

On 1/05/2009 10:09 a.m., Trevor Hammonds wrote:
> I have been unable to reach NuFone.net since earlier today. There
> website is also unreachable. I was wondering if anyone else is
> experiencing this, and also if anyone knows of the viability of the company.

Looks like their DNS entries are gone? Maybe they forgot to renew their
domain name?

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

This is all I know
http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2009/03/31/how-the-hell-happened-to-nufone/
sounds like a sad story....

Trevor Hammonds wrote:
I have been unable to reach NuFone.net since earlier today.  There website is also unreachable.  I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this, and also if anyone knows of the viability of the company.

Any information will be appreciated.

Sincerely,
Trevor Hammonds
Concipient


 
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[asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

I have been unable to reach NuFone.net since earlier today.  There website is also unreachable.  I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this, and also if anyone knows of the viability of the company.

Any information will be appreciated.

Sincerely,
Trevor Hammonds
Concipient


[asterisk-biz] FW: Update: HD Communications Summit in NYC

Anyone from the asterisk list going to this?

I'm not because I don't have a commercial reason to be there to fund my
ticket but do you want to organize an Asterisk get together after the
event or the night before etc?

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Inc
dean@cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 New York
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
+44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Pulver [mailto:jeff@pulver.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:17 AM
To: Dean Collins
Subject: Update: HD Communications Summit in NYC

During 2009 I have been thinking about how to recharge and bring
excitement back into the communications industry. As a result, I am now
involved in a project I am calling - reboot:Telecom.

On May 21st I am hosting a worldwide gathering of people invited from
the communications industry who will be exploring the next big frontier
in the future of communications: High Def Voice.

More information about the summit can be found at:
http://www.HDComms.com

I would appreciate it if you take a moment and forward this email to the
people you know who would benefit from being aware of this event.

Hope all is well.

Best regards, Jeff

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[asterisk-biz] Large Government Deployment : Bicom Systems' PBXware is won on Legal Aid

I know often community members have asked for examples of major
deployments using Asterisk.
The following may be of interest:

Bicom System's PBXware has enabled Legal Aid to break free

Legal Aid of Ontario had grown to a Central Office of 400 users and
200 locations.

A new Headquarters to be opened provided a unique opportunity to
escape from these shackles. Using Bicom System's PBXware, the World's
First Open Standards Turnkey Telephony System, Legal Aid was able to
achieve a 'best-fit' solution, deployed and maintained themselves at a
fraction of the cost.

For any large organisation needing exact requirements to be met and
cut costs - this is a must-read.

Press Release:

http://www.bicomsystems.com/home/C/P/731/143_3849/

Case Study:

http://bicomsystems.com/marketing/case_studies/lao.pdf


Obviously if you have a similar project of which a Professional
Turnkey Telephony System we would be more than happy to speak further.

steve 'at' bicomsystems [d*t} c0m

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Qview

You could also try our QueueMetrics call center monitor - it offers all the real-time and historical stats you need to successfully run a call-center, and it's very easy to install and deploy.
You can see it live at : http://queuemetrics.com/demosys.jsp or get a free trial here:  http://queuemetrics.com/sendDemoLicence.jsp
I hope this helps
l.

2009/4/30 Ole Bülow <ob@just-eat.com>
Hi All,

For a big monitor in my call centre i need an application or website which can show queue status (how many callers in queue and time, stat, etc.).
I found a perl script called qview, which supposedly should be able to do the trick out of the box, but cant seem to get it to work.

Does anyone know if its still working (its from 2003) or does anyone have a similar script or program which they could direct me to?

Kind regards

Ole Bülow
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Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Re: [asterisk-biz] Qview

Ole

Please our Crystal Clear Call Center.

You can experience the Crystal Clear Call Center at:

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There is link to a demo in this page.

Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have any question or need
additional information to the following telephone numbers or to my e-mail.

All the best
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email: alex@tikalnetworks.com
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[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Ole B?low
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:48 AM
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Qview

Hi All,

For a big monitor in my call centre i need an application or website which
can show queue status (how many callers in queue and time, stat, etc.).
I found a perl script called qview, which supposedly should be able to do
the trick out of the box, but cant seem to get it to work.

Does anyone know if its still working (its from 2003) or does anyone have a
similar script or program which they could direct me to?

Kind regards

Ole Bülow
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[asterisk-biz] Qview

Hi All,

For a big monitor in my call centre i need an application or website which can show queue status (how many callers in queue and time, stat, etc.).
I found a perl script called qview, which supposedly should be able to do the trick out of the box, but cant seem to get it to work.

Does anyone know if its still working (its from 2003) or does anyone have a similar script or program which they could direct me to?

Kind regards

Ole Bülow
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Re: [asterisk-biz] 1-800 port

We can surely port that number for you, is this a north American TF ? or
international ?

Once on our network TF's are accessible Anywhere in the world.

BTW our pricing will beat most other providers, our there, and our customer
service is in North America.


Mike.

1-418-266-7325
sales@contacttel.com
http://www.contacttel.com


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[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Hermann Wecke
Sent: April-29-09 2:39 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-biz] 1-800 port

I need to transfer my toll free number from now defunct Asterlink.


Anyone?

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Re: [asterisk-biz] 1-800 port

Teliax can help. We can port numbers and provide you with a new account.

https://teliax.com/?referral_code=11

Contact me if you have questions.

Geoff Love
Teliax
303-629-8304

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Hermann Wecke <hermann@wecke.com> wrote:
I need to transfer my toll free number from now defunct Asterlink.


Anyone?

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[asterisk-biz] 1-800 port

I need to transfer my toll free number from now defunct Asterlink.


Anyone?

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009

[asterisk-biz] FS: LOT OF 10 New Mediatrix 2102 voip adaper

Have 4 cartons(40 units) New Mediatrix 2102 voip adaper for sale. $550 USD OBO per carton(10 untis) shipping included anywhere in USA&Canada. Ship from Ottawa, Ontario.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250415559649

(SHIP TO USA&CANADA ONLY)

[asterisk-biz] Germany 180-X did needed

Hi all,

 

I need 0-180-X German inbound number for one of my clients. Please contact me off the list if you may provide.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Monday, April 27, 2009

[asterisk-biz] Asterlink

I'm trying to contact someone at Asterlink.

Are they still in business?

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Miles Scruggs wrote:

> I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually looks
> like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of 300,000
> lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48 at a
> flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to every
> market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
> terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a little
> over 1,000,000 per day to send you)
>
> What really gets me is all the different ways that international is
> done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of dialing
> codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and every
> carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to the
> next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your rates,
> and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing software
> alone runs upwards of $100,000.
>
> None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but the
> average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
> 300,000 line long rate deck.

That's ok -- don't publish it! But when I'm your customer, I want your
rates, all of them, in a computer-digestable format, and easily updatable.
If you are giving me a flat rate, I want to see that in the rate deck. If
you want to publish something different to the public, great! But as a
customer, I want the full rate deck for EVERY destination supported, so I
don't have to manually update the rates you left out because you didn't
consider the US worthy of inclusion.

I understand some do full npanxx, but most I deal with (I'm a small fry
compared to your 1M minutes per day) give me a flat blended rate, and I
want to know what I can and cannot terminate to and at what cost.

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[asterisk-biz] All Termination Companies Suck (was Re: Dear Termination Providers, )

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, John Todd wrote:

> On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 14:35 -0700, John Todd wrote:
>>> It is almost always contradictory to provider's best interests to
>>> make their rate sheets easy to import or understand.
>>
>> I dunno, if people are providing a good service at a fair price, then
>> its in the providers interest to make it easier, not harder, for more
>> people to get that info and thus use that provider.
>
> I agree, yes, that in theory competitive carriers would give you the
> prices up front.

Thread hijackers. This was about including all countries in your rate
deck (NDA or no NDA), not about how billing is done.

You're all fired. ;-)

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

Like the industry that does opposite, using tiered decks with cherry
picking, instead of a blended rate.

Also the industry of taking open source and selling skinned versions of
things.

And so on..
If one puts 6/6 and does 30/6 it's not the same, but we do 30/6 for anyone ,
takes care of the spam sequential dialers, and cheap 0.0001 hunters, we evne
charge 0.005 per connection , no per minute cost for 800 numbers, this takes
care of abusive clients taking a on demand plan , using 400 channels for
toll free termination and using our other clients resources.

Overall, better service, less resources used, and happier clients.

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[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Kevin P. Fleming
Sent: April-27-09 11:53 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

Jared Smith wrote:

> I hate to admit it, but I'm now a firm believer that most carriers in
> the business of selling minutes are purposefully deceptive, or at a
> minimum almost completely incompetent. I'm also a firm believer that
> they feel justified in doing so because their customers rarely challenge
> them on it. (It's human nature to want to avoid auditing the phone
> bill... When is the last time you did this?)

There is an entire industry devoted to doing just that; they keep a
percentage of what they save customers, and they make LOTS of money.

--
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Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies
445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA
skype: kpfleming | jabber: kpfleming@digium.com
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

Jared Smith wrote:

> I hate to admit it, but I'm now a firm believer that most carriers in
> the business of selling minutes are purposefully deceptive, or at a
> minimum almost completely incompetent. I'm also a firm believer that
> they feel justified in doing so because their customers rarely challenge
> them on it. (It's human nature to want to avoid auditing the phone
> bill... When is the last time you did this?)

There is an entire industry devoted to doing just that; they keep a
percentage of what they save customers, and they make LOTS of money.

--
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Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies
445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA
skype: kpfleming | jabber: kpfleming@digium.com
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 22:20 -0700, John Todd wrote:
> Why is this? My belief (which is based on painful experience) is that
> they will always overcharge by 3%-15% because of data slop, and they
> will make it as difficult as possible for you to argue the cost
> delta. It's a way of bleeding the clueless. If you're smart, you'll
> know how to catch them at this game. If you're a sloppy carrier who
> doesn't care or thinks that it doesn't matter, they'll double their
> profit on you.

I couldn't agree more. I once had the opportunity (in a previous job)
to turn up accounts with several different long-distance providers, run
several hundred thousand calls through each one, and then compare their
advertised rates to the bill that came at the end of the month.

We had seven providers that passed our initial screen process and went
on to real-world testing. Of those, only *one* actually billed what
they said they would. (And, even more surprising... they were the most
communicative and by far the best to work with.) Three of the seven
providers over-billed us by more than 25%!

The most common issue I found with overbilling was carriers were
claiming to do six-second or one-second increment billing, but actually
charging for full minutes. Other common issues included charging for
uncompleted calls, claiming a flat rate but charging a blended rate, or
charging completely different rates than their rate table specified.

I hate to admit it, but I'm now a firm believer that most carriers in
the business of selling minutes are purposefully deceptive, or at a
minimum almost completely incompetent. I'm also a firm believer that
they feel justified in doing so because their customers rarely challenge
them on it. (It's human nature to want to avoid auditing the phone
bill... When is the last time you did this?)

In short -- you've got the tools to be able to audit your carrier and
see how well they're living up to their promised rates. Do your
homework, and you might save more money than you realize.

--
Jared Smith
Training Manager
Digium, Inc.


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[asterisk-biz] Going to AMOOCON?

Hi,

If you are going to AMOOCON through Berlin Sunday evening and could
use a ride to Rostock, please feel free to email me. If you are are
going to be there I look forward to meeting you. I will be leaving
early Wednesday morning for Berlin as well. Reserve now and avoid the
rush :)

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Sunday, April 26, 2009

[asterisk-biz] TRILOGUE INfinity

 

 

Got 4 of TRILOGUE INfinity  ,for sale

 

A single TRILOGUE INfinity system can be configured for virtually any capacity up to: 

 6,000 telephone ports 

 50,000 hours of voice storage 

 9,000,000 pages of fax storage 

 1,000,000 mailboxes

TRILOGUE has been integrated successfully with virtually every major public network switch on the market, including those manufactured by Alcatel, AT&T, Ericsson, Fujitsu, NEC, Nokia, Northern Telecom, Motorola and Siemens. INfinity supports both digital (E1/T1) and analog trunk interfaces with a wide range of signaling protocols, including: SS7; ISDN PRI; MFC-R2; MF-R1; E&M-DTMF; and SMDI.

 

Anyone interested ?

 

Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

> > John Todd wrote:
> >
> >> PS: Why don't more carriers use OSP? (http://www.transnexus.com/)
> >> TransNexus even was kind enough to contribute a module that's part
> >> of Asterisk as a default! It solves SO many problems.
> >
> > Alex Balashov wrote:
> >
> > OSP provides good secure bilateral peering infrastructure, not
> > fundamental changes to the settlement or rating model.
>
> John Todd wrote:
>
> You're right - I had mis-remembered cost transport as part of another
> protocol I was involved in discussing from a while back as an
> extension to TRIP. (Not that TRIP went anywhere.)
>
[JD wrote:] The ETSI OSP standard defines Pricing Indication messages which
enables a VoIP device to query a carrier for their price for a particular
service or dial code. A response to a route query can also include price
information and the price for a call can also be included in the standard
OSP CDR. This OSP Pricing Indication feature is not supported in the
Asterisk OSP module, but is a feature TransNexus can contribute to Asterisk
if there is any community interest.

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Saturday, April 25, 2009

Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

Maybe because its bugged, we tested that 2 years ago and there was some
translation bugs,

Maybe its fixed, and maybe they lowered the pricing..

Not everyone has 10-40-100k to put on software that might or not work or be
compatible.

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Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

John Todd wrote:

> PS: Why don't more carriers use OSP? (http://www.transnexus.com/) -
> TransNexus even was kind enough to contribute a module that's part of
> Asterisk as a default! It solves SO many problems.

OSP provides good secure bilateral peering infrastructure, not
fundamental changes to the settlement or rating model.

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Friday, April 24, 2009

Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Apr 24, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:

> John Todd wrote:
>
>> PS: Why don't more carriers use OSP? (http://www.transnexus.com/) -
>> TransNexus even was kind enough to contribute a module that's part of
>> Asterisk as a default! It solves SO many problems.
>
> OSP provides good secure bilateral peering infrastructure, not
> fundamental changes to the settlement or rating model.


You're right - I had mis-remembered cost transport as part of another
protocol I was involved in discussing from a while back as an
extension to TRIP. (Not that TRIP went anywhere.)

Though it does seem to be a reasonable data set to carry...

JT

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

John Todd wrote:

> PS: Why don't more carriers use OSP? (http://www.transnexus.com/) -
> TransNexus even was kind enough to contribute a module that's part of
> Asterisk as a default! It solves SO many problems.

OSP provides good secure bilateral peering infrastructure, not
fundamental changes to the settlement or rating model.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 14:35 -0700, John Todd wrote:
>> It is almost always contradictory to provider's best interests to
>> make their rate sheets easy to import or understand. Here's a
>> document set that I wrote a while back in the hopes that I could beat
>> providers up into giving me the correct rate table data in a format I
>> could use:
>>
>> http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/misc/rates/
>
>
> I dunno, if people are providing a good service at a fair price, then
> its in the providers interest to make it easier, not harder, for more
> people to get that info and thus use that provider. The higher the
> hurdles are for a customer to work with the provider, the fewer total
> customers that provider is going to have.
>
> I for example will not sign an NDA to get a rate list, so any provider
> that asks for one is immediately ruled out - and I am not the only
> one.
>
> Even if the service is more expensive, if the quality, support, etc is
> there, people will pay the higher price. Perhaps not everyone, but
> that
> gives providers the opportunity to have a tiered or multi-branded
> setup.
> For example a wholesale backend with 2 or more front ends, one with a
> higher price, with only quality routes, functioning caller id, and a
> support team that can be contacted quickly and easily, and another
> that
> is only for people that look at price and care little about any of
> the
> other stuff. They can even look like they are competing with
> themselves, and let the consumer decide what level of service they
> want
> and get more customers.
>
> But then I am weird that way.
>
> --
> Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
> pgp key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x8AE5C721


I agree, yes, that in theory competitive carriers would give you the
prices up front.

But I've not met any of the big ones that will do that, or even the
medium ones.

L3, XO, GLBX, Sprint, Verizon... nope. You need to sign an NDA for
rates. Each of them has a significantly different format for handing
out rate sheets, sometimes requiring referential lookups in up to four
tables to get a price. (If you've had contradictory experiences, I'd
encourage you to post a URL containing those price lists so that
everyone here can see them - after all, it's not under an NDA,
right? ;-)

And then, as mentioned elsewhere, each has their own concept of tiers
(3 tiers? 5 tiers? 7 tiers? 9 tiers?). But not NPA-XXX-X... rates.
You have to do that on your own. Oh... and by the way... many of them
have different interpretations of those OCN decks. And they won't
tell you what theirs are. It's a guessing game.

Why is this? My belief (which is based on painful experience) is that
they will always overcharge by 3%-15% because of data slop, and they
will make it as difficult as possible for you to argue the cost
delta. It's a way of bleeding the clueless. If you're smart, you'll
know how to catch them at this game. If you're a sloppy carrier who
doesn't care or thinks that it doesn't matter, they'll double their
profit on you.


Anyway: as for my document above - anyone who wants to make comments,
or update it with something like connection fees, just send me a .doc
version back via email with your updates visible in a "track changes"
mode, and I'll update the primary document and give it a new revision
number, if your changes make sense and don't overburden the format.
The transport format perhaps should really be XML, but that may be too
much for the Excel jockeys that typically make these tables for each
carrier, so I kept it as CSV to Keep It Simple.


PS: Why don't more carriers use OSP? (http://www.transnexus.com/) -
TransNexus even was kind enough to contribute a module that's part of
Asterisk as a default! It solves SO many problems.

JT

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually looks
like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of 300,000
lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48 at a
flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to every
market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a little
over 1,000,000 per day to send you)

What really gets me is all the different ways that international is
done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of dialing
codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and every
carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to the
next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your rates,
and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing software
alone runs upwards of $100,000.

None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but the
average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
300,000 line long rate deck.

Cheers,

Miles
On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Peter Beckman wrote:

> For the love of god and all that is holy, why do you not include
> your US
> rates in your ratesheets? I don't care that each customer gets a
> different
> rate, if you can terminate calls worth your salt, you can hire
> someone to
> write a script that includes the rate for the customer in your rate
> sheets.
> It's fine if one has to get the rate sheet via a URL like this:
>
> http://www.example.com/dynamic_rates.php?username=xxx&password=xxx&format=csv
>
> (Bonus -- If I'm logged into your site, username/password isn't
> required!)
>
> I don't mind! I don't even mind if I have to sign up for free to
> GET your
> A-Z rates! I _DO_ mind having to update US rates by hand while I can
> automate the updating of rates using your published rate sheet!
>
> The United States is a country too -- stop thinking about all the
> other
> countries separately from your A-Z rate sheet and leaving out the US
> because it is, for you, not International. You can't know what your
> customer thinks is International!
>
> So do me a favor -- figure out how to publish your rates on a per-
> customer
> basis, so we can automatically update rates from your site, and so
> that we
> can maybe even automatically send you more traffic when you put a
> destination on sale!
>
> Beckman
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Internet Guy
> beckman@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:

> But then I am weird that way.

I don't think you are weird for that opinion, I think you're weird for
other reasons. :-) Even with all those call metrics people throw around
(ACD, some other TLAs that I have to look up), it's hard to really get a
good idea of how good or bad a termination provider (and their
relationship with other carriers) is.

I still wish everyone would publish an easy to parse rate sheet.

Please include US and Canada 1nxx in your rate sheet so I know I can send
US and Canada traffic to you and what you charge differently depending on
the destination (i.e. don't publish "1,0.01" because I know you aren't
letting me send calls to Dominican Republic for that). And why the hell
can't people publish their Hawaii and Alaska rates? I sometimes have to
call and ask, even when they have a whole beautiful A-Z rate list
published on a regular basis. They should really call it "A-Z except
countries we don't consider International." Just show me the rates for
everything!!!

Let me call out some providers:

Vitelity: http://www.vitelity.com/intlcsv.php

No mention of anything except US Virgin Islands,1340,0.01664
No Canada, no Hawaii or Alaska

Teliax: http://media.teliax.com/rates.csv

No US, they do mention Canada rates though

Binfone: http://www.binfone.com/a-to-z-rates.csv

Mention Alaska and Hawaii, but not the rest of the US. And they
include Canada. Winners! But still losers.

Voipjet: http://www.voipjet.com/ratescsv.php

Hurrah! They include USA! But they do it lazy -- US Proper,1,0.013
I'm betting 1808 and 1907 (Alaska and Hawaii) are more expensive...
I dislike the lazyness of the prefix '1'. What's USA Proper
anyway? US48? So what's the rate outside the US48? Hawaii?
Alaska? Maybe they don't serve them? But that prefix '1' says
they do! SO WTF!

GRNvoip: http://70.42.75.67/grnvoip/dlnRate.asp

OH so close! They do something weird though, some sort of standard
vs premium rates, plus only guarantees 90% of calls via premium
routs will deliver CallerID. Really? What kind of industry is
this?!? At least they enumerate the full prefix for all area codes
in the US. No question that the rate for Jersey and the rate for
Alaska or the US Virgin Islands are different!

So there's a sampling of the ugliness that is the termination market. No
standard CSV formats, no standardized inclusion of rates not considered
international. How do we get by?
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 21:01 -0400, Peter Beckman wrote:
> Nice. You might also want to consider including a connection fee in
> there, as some providers will charge 0.001/minute after a 0.50 connection
> fee per call. I guess that could be done as
>
> 1256,Alabama,0.50,1,0.001,60
>
> Though one second calls might be charged 0.501 whereas in this definition
> it would be assumed that 1 second calls were 0.50, and 2-61 second calls
> were 0.501.
>
> It's close to an RFP!
I have not read the document in question, but this is the internet so
that does not disqualify comments :)


I agree that there should be a field for a connection cost, as well as a
standardized time format for when peak/off peak is if that is to be
used. Think globally, so perhaps doing everything UTC would be nice, of
course holidays can be a problem since those are highly regional, and
more thought on this should be considered.

There is also the issue of when does the rate get set? Many pstn
carriers charge based on when the call is made, some do it minute by
minute but that seems more rare at least in north america, some do it at
the end of the call, but you could define a flag that indicates which
way it is as there are only a limited number of ways you can bill when
the rate changes based on time.


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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, John Todd wrote:

> You're doing your domain name proud! ;-)

:-)

> It is almost always contradictory to provider's best interests to
> make their rate sheets easy to import or understand. Here's a
> document set that I wrote a while back in the hopes that I could beat
> providers up into giving me the correct rate table data in a format I
> could use:
>
> http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/misc/rates/

Nice. You might also want to consider including a connection fee in
there, as some providers will charge 0.001/minute after a 0.50 connection
fee per call. I guess that could be done as

1256,Alabama,0.50,1,0.001,60

Though one second calls might be charged 0.501 whereas in this definition
it would be assumed that 1 second calls were 0.50, and 2-61 second calls
were 0.501.

It's close to an RFP!

Beckman
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[asterisk-biz] looking for providers with decent rates to mexico

I am looking for a decent rate or maybe a did in mexico to a number like 52 84626 if you know of any i would appreciate it.
 
Thanks
-Chris

Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

Hehe know i know why the domain is angryox ;)

You can pull our rates and i can email you the csv, heck you can use our api
as well


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[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Peter Beckman
Sent: April-24-09 5:07 PM
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

For the love of god and all that is holy, why do you not include your US
rates in your ratesheets? I don't care that each customer gets a different
rate, if you can terminate calls worth your salt, you can hire someone to
write a script that includes the rate for the customer in your rate sheets.
It's fine if one has to get the rate sheet via a URL like this:


http://www.example.com/dynamic_rates.php?username=xxx&password=xxx&format=cs
v

(Bonus -- If I'm logged into your site, username/password isn't required!)

I don't mind! I don't even mind if I have to sign up for free to GET your
A-Z rates! I _DO_ mind having to update US rates by hand while I can
automate the updating of rates using your published rate sheet!

The United States is a country too -- stop thinking about all the other
countries separately from your A-Z rate sheet and leaving out the US
because it is, for you, not International. You can't know what your
customer thinks is International!

So do me a favor -- figure out how to publish your rates on a per-customer
basis, so we can automatically update rates from your site, and so that we
can maybe even automatically send you more traffic when you put a
destination on sale!

Beckman
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 14:35 -0700, John Todd wrote:
> It is almost always contradictory to provider's best interests to
> make their rate sheets easy to import or understand. Here's a
> document set that I wrote a while back in the hopes that I could beat
> providers up into giving me the correct rate table data in a format I
> could use:
>
> http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/misc/rates/


I dunno, if people are providing a good service at a fair price, then
its in the providers interest to make it easier, not harder, for more
people to get that info and thus use that provider. The higher the
hurdles are for a customer to work with the provider, the fewer total
customers that provider is going to have.

I for example will not sign an NDA to get a rate list, so any provider
that asks for one is immediately ruled out - and I am not the only
one.

Even if the service is more expensive, if the quality, support, etc is
there, people will pay the higher price. Perhaps not everyone, but that
gives providers the opportunity to have a tiered or multi-branded setup.
For example a wholesale backend with 2 or more front ends, one with a
higher price, with only quality routes, functioning caller id, and a
support team that can be contacted quickly and easily, and another that
is only for people that look at price and care little about any of the
other stuff. They can even look like they are competing with
themselves, and let the consumer decide what level of service they want
and get more customers.

But then I am weird that way.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, John Todd <jtodd@digium.com> wrote:

> It is almost always contradictory to provider's best
> interests to make their rate sheets easy to import or understand.

Why is that? I'd think that on the contrary- they'd want you
to have an easily importable ratesheet so you can send more
traffic to them. Of course- this only holds true if their
rates are competitive...

Of course, I'm to blame too- we don't have such ratesheet
readily available. Have to work on that one... lol.

-- Nitzan
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Peter Beckman wrote:

> For the love of god and all that is holy, why do you not include
> your US
> rates in your ratesheets? I don't care that each customer gets a
> different
> rate, if you can terminate calls worth your salt, you can hire
> someone to
> write a script that includes the rate for the customer in your rate
> sheets.
> It's fine if one has to get the rate sheet via a URL like this:
>
> http://www.example.com/dynamic_rates.php?username=xxx&password=xxx&format=csv
>
> (Bonus -- If I'm logged into your site, username/password isn't
> required!)
>
> I don't mind! I don't even mind if I have to sign up for free to
> GET your
> A-Z rates! I _DO_ mind having to update US rates by hand while I can
> automate the updating of rates using your published rate sheet!
>
> The United States is a country too -- stop thinking about all the
> other
> countries separately from your A-Z rate sheet and leaving out the US
> because it is, for you, not International. You can't know what your
> customer thinks is International!
>
> So do me a favor -- figure out how to publish your rates on a per-
> customer
> basis, so we can automatically update rates from your site, and so
> that we
> can maybe even automatically send you more traffic when you put a
> destination on sale!
>
> Beckman
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Peter Beckman
> Internet Guy
> beckman@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


Peter -
You're doing your domain name proud! ;-)

It is almost always contradictory to provider's best interests to
make their rate sheets easy to import or understand. Here's a
document set that I wrote a while back in the hopes that I could beat
providers up into giving me the correct rate table data in a format I
could use:

http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/misc/rates/

JT


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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Rick Dwyer wrote:

>
> On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Rob Lith wrote:
>
>> I don't think you'll get much support or have much luck with Asterisk
>> on a Mac for any production environment. You can't get any of the
>> interface cards to connect to the PSTN going on a Mac. I's a Mac fan
>> and only use them, but our Asterisk systems are on Linux - as 99.9%
>> of
>
> Wow.... that's depressing.
>
> I don't know the first thing about Linux. Maybe I will try to learn
> or see if other Mac products will do what I need.
>
> Can you recommend a Linux version, the hardware to run it on and if
> so, is there a gui interface for the Linux version of Asterisk?
>
> --Rick

To clear up some concerns: Asterisk runs quite well on MacOS X. I
have been running it on my laptop as a test environment for quite some
time, and I have never had any problems that would make me hesitate to
use it in a production system. There are many Linux-only binary
things which won't work, but I see no reason that you would need any
of them (speech recognition modules, proprietary codecs, and the
like.) Your app is very simple and would work fine on MacOS.

That being said, you will probably not be able to use the TDM cards
that are sold by Digium to connect your Asterisk system directly to
POTS lines or T1 trunks. The DAHDI driver toolkit that acts as the
interface layer for various cards is not Mac-compatible at this time.
But don't despair! There are lots of hardware solutions out there
which are stand-alone, and turn POTS lines into VOIP SIP calls, which
work just fine. In fact, that's probably what you want to do anyway
if you already run a call center of some sort. Just turn all your
calls into SIP and feed them to your Asterisk system.

Since Asterisk runs fine on MacOS, you could probably even cobble
together some sort of AppleScript to it via the System call or the AGI
methods, but that's outside my territory of familiarity. I don't know
about FileMaker, but there's an ODBC driver for Asterisk as well as
MySQL drivers.

What you're looking for is not difficult to do, though as a first-
timer with Asterisk it may take a bit of getting used to the system.

JT


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[asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

For the love of god and all that is holy, why do you not include your US
rates in your ratesheets? I don't care that each customer gets a different
rate, if you can terminate calls worth your salt, you can hire someone to
write a script that includes the rate for the customer in your rate sheets.
It's fine if one has to get the rate sheet via a URL like this:

http://www.example.com/dynamic_rates.php?username=xxx&password=xxx&format=csv

(Bonus -- If I'm logged into your site, username/password isn't required!)

I don't mind! I don't even mind if I have to sign up for free to GET your
A-Z rates! I _DO_ mind having to update US rates by hand while I can
automate the updating of rates using your published rate sheet!

The United States is a country too -- stop thinking about all the other
countries separately from your A-Z rate sheet and leaving out the US
because it is, for you, not International. You can't know what your
customer thinks is International!

So do me a favor -- figure out how to publish your rates on a per-customer
basis, so we can automatically update rates from your site, and so that we
can maybe even automatically send you more traffic when you put a
destination on sale!

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Special request: Single Polycom 501 AC adapter in Canada

I have 3-4 in stock, contact me off-list.

 

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X2 Networks

 

From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: April-24-09 3:21 PM
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Special request: Single Polycom 501 AC adapter in Canada

 

Hi,

 

I realize this is a bit of a small/ridiculous request, but I am stuck with a lone Polycom 501 that someone is willing to buy used, provided I find an AC adapter.  I only have the PoE cable, and I can't find this anywhere in Canada except in packs of 5.

 

Does anybody wants to get rid of one, used or new (but not malfunctioning of course) in Canada? I could either pay a fair price, or exchange the AC adpater/cable combo against the PoE cable I have.

 

In Canada only, custom fees would be ridiculous for a small  item like that.

 

Thanks to whoever helps me with this.

 

Regards,

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[asterisk-biz] Special request: Single Polycom 501 AC adapter in Canada

Hi,

 

I realize this is a bit of a small/ridiculous request, but I am stuck with a lone Polycom 501 that someone is willing to buy used, provided I find an AC adapter.  I only have the PoE cable, and I can't find this anywhere in Canada except in packs of 5.

 

Does anybody wants to get rid of one, used or new (but not malfunctioning of course) in Canada? I could either pay a fair price, or exchange the AC adpater/cable combo against the PoE cable I have.

 

In Canada only, custom fees would be ridiculous for a small  item like that.

 

Thanks to whoever helps me with this.

 

Regards,

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Rick Dwyer wrote:

>
> On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Rob Lith wrote:
>
>> I don't think you'll get much support or have much luck with Asterisk
>> on a Mac for any production environment. You can't get any of the
>> interface cards to connect to the PSTN going on a Mac. I's a Mac fan
>> and only use them, but our Asterisk systems are on Linux - as 99.9% of
>
> Wow.... that's depressing.
>
> I don't know the first thing about Linux. Maybe I will try to learn
> or see if other Mac products will do what I need.

Sure you do! If you are using OSX, you are using a flavor of Unix (more
BSD than Linux, but much of the core of the OS is similar), and Linux is
similar. Instead of "Software Update" you use "yum" or "apt-get" on the
command line or install a GUI Tool. Instead of more hidden complexities
in OSX, you'll have to install libraries and other such things to get this
working.

> Can you recommend a Linux version, the hardware to run it on and if
> so, is there a gui interface for the Linux version of Asterisk?

Ubuntu Server Edition is pretty nice. GUI interface to Asterisk?
Trixbox!

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[asterisk-biz] Friday Apr 24 @ 12 Noon: Wideband, or HD Voice as Polycom calls it

Hi,

This week (today in fact) Michael Graves talks to Dan Berninger about
the future of wideband VoIP and the upcoming conference. Some of you
might remember the name from a previous conference about FWD. More
about Dan:

Daniel Berninger - Washington, DC based independent technolgy analyst.
Expert in technical and regulatory aspects of Internet enabled
disruptive communications. Active in VoIP since 1995. Daniel worked on
the original assessment of VoIP at Bell Laboratories and led early
gateway deployments at Verizon , HP , and NASA after joining VocalTec
Communications . He won the 1999 VON Pioneer Award as co-founder of
the VON Coalition and worked on the founding of ITXC , Vonage , and
Free World Dialup . Daniel gets quoted frequently on regulatory,
antitrust, and VoIP matters.

This should be of interest to all of you as Dan has been an important
force in the movement we are all a part of.

See you there!

http://www.voipUsersConference.org

Wideband g722: call 200901@login.zipdx.com (thx to David)
g711 ulaw: call 7463#22622#1@proxy.ideasip.com (thx to Neil)
IRC: #voip-users-conference on irc.freenode.net

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Thursday, April 23, 2009

[asterisk-biz] Canadian Reseller w/ PRI connectivity

Hello,

We are looking for a carrier who can provide us with RDNIS on canadian DID's. Probably will need 10 channels and 20 DID's to start.

We have a customer who is building an application around this and while we have RDNIS for US numbers, I also need Canada.

Please contact me OFF LIST if you have any suggestions or can offer this.

Thanks,

Matt

Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

Rick Dwyer wrote:
> On Apr 23, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Stephane Bakhos wrote:
>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Rick Dwyer <rdwyer@quick-link.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> What I want to do is allow callers to call a our phone line and
>>>>> unsubscribe their phone number from our call center list. So,
>>>>> basically, when they call in, they would be greeted with a message
>>>>> something like: "please enter your 10 digit phone number followed
>>>>> by
>>>>> the pound sign". They would then have the number read back to them
>>>>> to
>>>>> confirm it or reenter it. Once confirmed, it would write the phone
>>>>> number to a text file for importing into MySQL or FileMaker.
>>>> Not can Asterisk do that, but it can read the callerID and ask if
>>>> they
>>>> want to remove *that* number. Filemaker, I don't know but it can
>>>> talk
>>>> to a mysql database or just write the number to be removed to a
>>>> file.
>>>> Not too complicated.
>>> OK, so asterisk can read callerid back to the caller.... what if the
>>> caller is calling from a different line... can they be given the
>>> option to enter their phone number?
>> Yes.
>> You can either use dialplan or AGI scripting for that.
>>
>> You can interface with Mysql using the MYSQL app
>>
>> "core show application MYSQL"
>
> Thank you.
> Last question... I think.
>
> I downloaded version 1.4.11 from the site mezzo.net/asterisk/ as this
> is the site a google search returned when I looked up Asterisk for the
> Mac.
>
> Is this the same version listed from asterisk.org? Or are the
> asterisk.org versions Linux only? The reason I ask is I would like a
> GUI interface, but don't see one available from mezzo.net.
>
> --Rick
>

I don't know much about mezzo.net, but 1.4.11 is a pretty old version of
Asterisk. The current version of Asterisk is 1.4.24.1, and 1.4.25 is due out
relatively soon.

As far as the tarballs of Asterisk on asterisk.org go, they can be used on OS X.
Asterisk is made to be run on any POSIX-compliant OS. A few of the core
developers use Apple laptops and make sure that the code compiles and runs on a
Mac. If you use the Asterisk-GUI available from asterisk.org, you can run it on
a Mac. I don't know how much Safari testing is done, but if you have issues
using Safari, you can try using Firefox instead.

Mark Michelson

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

Post-scriptum: http://scottstuff.net/blog/tag/asterisk is the site I
was referring to.

r

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Rob Lith wrote:

> I don't think you'll get much support or have much luck with Asterisk
> on a Mac for any production environment. You can't get any of the
> interface cards to connect to the PSTN going on a Mac. I's a Mac fan
> and only use them, but our Asterisk systems are on Linux - as 99.9% of

Wow.... that's depressing.

I don't know the first thing about Linux. Maybe I will try to learn
or see if other Mac products will do what I need.

Can you recommend a Linux version, the hardware to run it on and if
so, is there a gui interface for the Linux version of Asterisk?

--Rick

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Rick Dwyer <rdwyer@quick-link.com> wrote:
> I downloaded version 1.4.11 from the site mezzo.net/asterisk/ as this
> is the site a google search returned when I looked up Asterisk for the
> Mac.

You should probably get the asterisk sources from the Digium site
http://asterisk.org and also you should post you question to
asterisk-user list for more answers. It's possible you can hook up
with someone there who has used asterisk on the Mac. There used to be
a site about asterisk on OS X somewhere. I have seen a few people
doing it, but as the last person said, it's rare for several reasons
and peer support is one of them.

Still if you're comfortable with Darwin command line and running your
Mac all the time to answer a phone line, there's no good reason you
won't be successful as long as you are using SIP only (no hardware).

r

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

On 23 Apr 2009, at 19:43, Rick Dwyer wrote:

>
> On Apr 23, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Stephane Bakhos wrote:
>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Rick Dwyer <rdwyer@quick-link.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> What I want to do is allow callers to call a our phone line and
>>>>> unsubscribe their phone number from our call center list. So,
>>>>> basically, when they call in, they would be greeted with a message
>>>>> something like: "please enter your 10 digit phone number followed
>>>>> by
>>>>> the pound sign". They would then have the number read back to
>>>>> them
>>>>> to
>>>>> confirm it or reenter it. Once confirmed, it would write the
>>>>> phone
>>>>> number to a text file for importing into MySQL or FileMaker.
>>>>
>>>> Not can Asterisk do that, but it can read the callerID and ask if
>>>> they
>>>> want to remove *that* number. Filemaker, I don't know but it can
>>>> talk
>>>> to a mysql database or just write the number to be removed to a
>>>> file.
>>>> Not too complicated.
>>>
>>> OK, so asterisk can read callerid back to the caller.... what if the
>>> caller is calling from a different line... can they be given the
>>> option to enter their phone number?
>>
>> Yes.
>> You can either use dialplan or AGI scripting for that.
>>
>> You can interface with Mysql using the MYSQL app
>>
>> "core show application MYSQL"
>
> Thank you.
> Last question... I think.
>
> I downloaded version 1.4.11 from the site mezzo.net/asterisk/ as this
> is the site a google search returned when I looked up Asterisk for the
> Mac.
>
> Is this the same version listed from asterisk.org? Or are the
> asterisk.org versions Linux only? The reason I ask is I would like a
> GUI interface, but don't see one available from mezzo.net.
>
> --Rick

I don't think you'll get much support or have much luck with Asterisk
on a Mac for any production environment. You can't get any of the
interface cards to connect to the PSTN going on a Mac. I's a Mac fan
and only use them, but our Asterisk systems are on Linux - as 99.9% of
every other install.

Regards
Rob

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

On Apr 23, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Stephane Bakhos wrote:

>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Rick Dwyer <rdwyer@quick-link.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> What I want to do is allow callers to call a our phone line and
>>>> unsubscribe their phone number from our call center list. So,
>>>> basically, when they call in, they would be greeted with a message
>>>> something like: "please enter your 10 digit phone number followed
>>>> by
>>>> the pound sign". They would then have the number read back to them
>>>> to
>>>> confirm it or reenter it. Once confirmed, it would write the phone
>>>> number to a text file for importing into MySQL or FileMaker.
>>>
>>> Not can Asterisk do that, but it can read the callerID and ask if
>>> they
>>> want to remove *that* number. Filemaker, I don't know but it can
>>> talk
>>> to a mysql database or just write the number to be removed to a
>>> file.
>>> Not too complicated.
>>
>> OK, so asterisk can read callerid back to the caller.... what if the
>> caller is calling from a different line... can they be given the
>> option to enter their phone number?
>
> Yes.
> You can either use dialplan or AGI scripting for that.
>
> You can interface with Mysql using the MYSQL app
>
> "core show application MYSQL"

Thank you.
Last question... I think.

I downloaded version 1.4.11 from the site mezzo.net/asterisk/ as this
is the site a google search returned when I looked up Asterisk for the
Mac.

Is this the same version listed from asterisk.org? Or are the
asterisk.org versions Linux only? The reason I ask is I would like a
GUI interface, but don't see one available from mezzo.net.

--Rick


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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

On 23 Apr 2009, at 18:51, randulo wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Rick Dwyer <rdwyer@quick-link.com>
> wrote:
>> What I want to do is allow callers to call a our phone line and
>> unsubscribe their phone number from our call center list. So,
>> basically, when they call in, they would be greeted with a message
>> something like: "please enter your 10 digit phone number followed by
>> the pound sign". They would then have the number read back to them
>> to
>> confirm it or reenter it. Once confirmed, it would write the phone
>> number to a text file for importing into MySQL or FileMaker.
>
> Not can Asterisk do that, but it can read the callerID and ask if they
> want to remove *that* number. Filemaker, I don't know but it can talk
> to a mysql database or just write the number to be removed to a file.
> Not too complicated.
>
> r
>

Of course it can capture the input of the number if given by DTMF
after the IVR prompt.

You could pass that input to a database to look-up and remove the
number.

You obviously have to develop some crosschecks that verify you're not
removing someone else's number.

If they are calling from the phone they want unsubscribed then having
to input the number can be eliminated, but often people to not send
their CLI.

Cheers
Rob

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk on Mac OS X...newbie questions

>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Rick Dwyer <rdwyer@quick-link.com>
>> wrote:
>>> What I want to do is allow callers to call a our phone line and
>>> unsubscribe their phone number from our call center list. So,
>>> basically, when they call in, they would be greeted with a message
>>> something like: "please enter your 10 digit phone number followed by
>>> the pound sign". They would then have the number read back to them
>>> to
>>> confirm it or reenter it. Once confirmed, it would write the phone
>>> number to a text file for importing into MySQL or FileMaker.
>>
>> Not can Asterisk do that, but it can read the callerID and ask if they
>> want to remove *that* number. Filemaker, I don't know but it can talk
>> to a mysql database or just write the number to be removed to a file.
>> Not too complicated.
>
> OK, so asterisk can read callerid back to the caller.... what if the
> caller is calling from a different line... can they be given the
> option to enter their phone number?

Yes.
You can either use dialplan or AGI scripting for that.

You can interface with Mysql using the MYSQL app

"core show application MYSQL"

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