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Today's Topics:
1. OT: Cisco Cerent ONS 15454 (Les - LES.NET (1996) INC.)
2. Re: OT: Cisco Cerent ONS 15454 (Steve Totaro)
3. Re: OT: Cisco Cerent ONS 15454 (Alex Balashov)
4. Friday at 12 Noon EDT: VICIDIAL (randulo)
5. Dominican Republic (Tamo Tamo)
6. OT: Anti-dumping laws? (SIP)
7. Re: Update: Looks like Nufone is finally dead and out of
business (Wes Reece)
8. Re: OT: Anti-dumping laws? (Trixter aka Bret McDanel)
9. Re: OT: Anti-dumping laws? (SIP)
10. Re: Update: Looks like Nufone is finally dead and out of
business (Steve Totaro)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:40:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Les - LES.NET (1996) INC." <sales@les.net>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] OT: Cisco Cerent ONS 15454
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
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Hi.
If anyone has, or knows someone who has, knowledge on provisioning a Cisco
ONS 15454 (OC3, DS1, XC-VT) to pull VT1.5s off an OC3 and put them on a
DS1.
They would need to telnet to our terminal server and access the 15454 via
Serial Port, and provision the thing from scratch.
Send email to sales@les.net with a rough estimate price for performing
this task.
Thanks,
Les.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:03:25 -0700
From: Steve Totaro <stotaro@asteriskhelpdesk.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Cisco Cerent ONS 15454
To: sales@les.net, Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Les - LES.NET (1996) INC. <sales@les.net>wrote:
> Hi.
>
> If anyone has, or knows someone who has, knowledge on provisioning a Cisco
> ONS 15454 (OC3, DS1, XC-VT) to pull VT1.5s off an OC3 and put them on a
> DS1.
>
> They would need to telnet to our terminal server and access the 15454 via
> Serial Port, and provision the thing from scratch.
>
> Send email to sales@les.net with a rough estimate price for performing
> this task.
>
> Thanks,
> Les.
>
I haven't done it on that beast but have on an Adtran MX2800.
You just console in and turn up the channels, they are administratively down
by default if memory serves me correctly.
That was all there was to it.
I can imagine Cisco made it difficult but knowing a bit of the cisco IOS and
pressing tab can probably get it working.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:04:39 -0400
From: Alex Balashov <abalashov@evaristesys.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Cisco Cerent ONS 15454
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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Cerents don't run IOS. They have a TL1 interface.
Steve Totaro wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Les - LES.NET <http://LES.NET> (1996)
> INC. <sales@les.net <mailto:sales@les.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> If anyone has, or knows someone who has, knowledge on provisioning a
> Cisco
> ONS 15454 (OC3, DS1, XC-VT) to pull VT1.5s off an OC3 and put them on a
> DS1.
>
> They would need to telnet to our terminal server and access the
> 15454 via
> Serial Port, and provision the thing from scratch.
>
> Send email to sales@les.net <mailto:sales@les.net> with a rough
> estimate price for performing
> this task.
>
> Thanks,
> Les.
>
>
> I haven't done it on that beast but have on an Adtran MX2800.
>
> You just console in and turn up the channels, they are administratively
> down by default if memory serves me correctly.
>
> That was all there was to it.
>
> I can imagine Cisco made it difficult but knowing a bit of the cisco IOS
> and pressing tab can probably get it working.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Steve Totaro
> +18887771888 (Toll Free)
> +12409381212 (Cell)
> +12024369784 (Skype)
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:55:44 +0200
From: randulo <spamsucks2005@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Friday at 12 Noon EDT: VICIDIAL
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
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Hi,
I met Matt Florell at AMOOCON and tried to record an interview. I was
pleased with the results, but later found that the battery deleted the
audio file when it went dead. Today, we'll have Matt live to talk
about VICIDIAL and answer any questions you may have about it.
For more on this: http://VUC.me
IRC #voip-users-conference on Freenode.net
Call 7463#22622#1@proxy.ideasip.com to join or join in wideband G722
(see the site for details on that).
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:27:13 -0400
From: Tamo Tamo <tamotamo8@gmail.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Dominican Republic
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White Route to Dominican Republic with CLI @ $0.027/min. Route covers
Santiago and Santa Domingo
If interested please provide me with your capacity requirements.
Thomas Tamil
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:33:06 -0400
From: SIP <sip@arcdiv.com>
Subject: [asterisk-biz] OT: Anti-dumping laws?
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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This is partially off topic, as it's not strictly Asterisk-related...
I know the anti-dumping laws in the US manufacturing and trade
industries are geared toward international suppliers and protection of
US companies. I'm curious, though, are there similar laws for technology
(and, if not, should there be)?
I was thinking about this this morning as I read the news about the
first non Grand-Central users getting the Google Voice invites, and as I
was going over the Google Voice services. One of them is calls to
anywhere in the US for free, and it got me wondering. Currently, Google
Voice has no ads, so there's no incoming revenue to offset the cost of
termination to US phone lines. Which means, in essence, that Google is
likely giving this service away purely as a loss-leader to grab users
and drive out competition. Will the terms change later on? Hard to say.
Like all things Google, the service will likely remain tagged 'Beta'
long after it's one of the top-used services on the Internet.
Would then Skype be able to come back and do the same thing as an effort
to recapture any lost users? Or would that fall under some sort of
anti-dumping umbrella because it's now a foreign company that's giving
services away below cost?
Do services even have similar legal fair-trade protections?
Any ideas about the whole thing?
N.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:48:16 -0400
From: Wes Reece <wreece79@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Update: Looks like Nufone is finally dead
and out of business
To: trixter@0xdecafbad.com, Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
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<b755f9300906260748s61c50c5bre7c34c998ac73a2e@mail.gmail.com>
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Where can I read more?
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel <
trixter@0xdecafbad.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 16:40 -0700, Justin Newman wrote:
> > Another one bites the dust: Looks like Nufone is finally dead and out of
> business.
> >
> > I heard they may be selling some of their software, name, and other items
> to another company, but that it probably won't happen.
> >
>
> I heard that already happened in essence when they got bailed out after
> the issues of not charging what it cost to route calls and losing $400k
> in one month.
>
>
> --
> Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
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>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:56:04 -0700
From: Trixter aka Bret McDanel <trixter@0xdecafbad.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Anti-dumping laws?
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 10:33 -0400, SIP wrote:
> Would then Skype be able to come back and do the same thing as an effort
> to recapture any lost users? Or would that fall under some sort of
> anti-dumping umbrella because it's now a foreign company that's giving
> services away below cost?
>
loss leaders are legal in the US unless you dominate the particular
market, then there are anti-trust laws that come into play and they may
not forbid it outright, it depends on the particulars.
Google has virtually a 0 market share when it comes to pstn terminated
voice traffic. As a result they do not have the same restrictions that
someone who dominates the market has. As VoIP to the customer in
general is only a small percentage of all telephone calls, most VoIP
providers would not have such things.
Telephony in the US is regulated, although how much depends on what
exactly you are doing. It is legal for companies to sell below their
cost, and in one FCC case it was specifically stated that companies
cannot complain if they sell below cost and someone buys and uses the
service, that the burden is on the carrier to file proper tariffs and
enter into proper contracts with customers to avoid losing money if that
is what they want.
Look at blended rate traffic, unlimited calling (which people have
stated both tmobile and verizon wireless really are unlimited), and
more. It is quite possible that these companies are losing money on
this, and these companies also are some of the largest in their
particular market (CMRS), but it is not illegal.
So I wonder why you thought it should, or would be illegal for google to
give service away for free when first starting out trying to get
customers ...
--
Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:02:44 -0400
From: SIP <sip@arcdiv.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Anti-dumping laws?
To: trixter@0xdecafbad.com, Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Message-ID: <4A44E314.60600@arcdiv.com>
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Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 10:33 -0400, SIP wrote:
>
>> Would then Skype be able to come back and do the same thing as an effort
>> to recapture any lost users? Or would that fall under some sort of
>> anti-dumping umbrella because it's now a foreign company that's giving
>> services away below cost?
>>
>>
>
> loss leaders are legal in the US unless you dominate the particular
> market, then there are anti-trust laws that come into play and they may
> not forbid it outright, it depends on the particulars.
>
> Google has virtually a 0 market share when it comes to pstn terminated
> voice traffic. As a result they do not have the same restrictions that
> someone who dominates the market has. As VoIP to the customer in
> general is only a small percentage of all telephone calls, most VoIP
> providers would not have such things.
>
> Telephony in the US is regulated, although how much depends on what
> exactly you are doing. It is legal for companies to sell below their
> cost, and in one FCC case it was specifically stated that companies
> cannot complain if they sell below cost and someone buys and uses the
> service, that the burden is on the carrier to file proper tariffs and
> enter into proper contracts with customers to avoid losing money if that
> is what they want.
>
> Look at blended rate traffic, unlimited calling (which people have
> stated both tmobile and verizon wireless really are unlimited), and
> more. It is quite possible that these companies are losing money on
> this, and these companies also are some of the largest in their
> particular market (CMRS), but it is not illegal.
>
> So I wonder why you thought it should, or would be illegal for google to
> give service away for free when first starting out trying to get
> customers ...
>
>
>
I don't necessarily think it would or should be illegal for Google. And,
as far as I know, anti-dumping laws only apply to non-US companies.
Which is why I was wondering if Skype would get hit by them if it tried
to do the same thing, as they're a market leader and they're a
non-domestic company.
N.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:04:35 -0400
From: Steve Totaro <stotaro@totarotechnologies.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Update: Looks like Nufone is finally dead
and out of business
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
<asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
http://www.mailfunnel.org/asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com/2005-11/msg00174.html
Just read and keep hitting "Thread Next"
It was bound to happen with that attitude. He was doomed from day one with
his business model.
1. Provide VoIP Service (Sometimes works)
2. Treat Customers Like Crap and Provide No Support
3. Collect premiums
4. Profit
Sounds good but people want reliable VoIP service that works and they want
support and to be treated professionally, especially when paying for a
service with hard earned dollars.
Know your strengths, if you are not good with people, then hire someone who
is. If you are not a good manager, then hire one, If you are good with
tech stuff and limited to that, stay in the server room.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Wes Reece <wreece79@gmail.com> wrote:
> Where can I read more?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel <
> trixter@0xdecafbad.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 16:40 -0700, Justin Newman wrote:
>> > Another one bites the dust: Looks like Nufone is finally dead and out of
>> business.
>> >
>> > I heard they may be selling some of their software, name, and other
>> items to another company, but that it probably won't happen.
>> >
>>
>> I heard that already happened in essence when they got bailed out after
>> the issues of not charging what it cost to route calls and losing $400k
>> in one month.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
>> pgp key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x8AE5C721
>>
>>
>>
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>
> -Wes-
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