Re: [asterisk-biz] DID and CNAM

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel <trixter@0xdecafbad.com> wrote:

On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 15:44 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> Steve Totaro wrote:
>
> > Sorry to say that everything is shortlived.  Grab it while you can and
> > be ready to move quickly to the next thing.
>
> Of course.
>
> That does not mean there is not a useful degree of relativity;  some
> things are more shortlived than others, and some things are far more
> gainful in their lifecycle than others.
>

I do not see CNAM dips as arbitrage, sure they can be used that way, but
the reality is that they do not implicitly have to be.

If you run an outgoing call center, the calls are going to be placed
anyway.  If you can do something that will lower the overall cost for
that call center does that make it a bad thing?  Does that mean that it
will be short lived?  Until the carriers go bill and keep on DB queries
like CNAM money will still change hands, the amount might go down, but
it will still be there, and in the instance that I provided its
supplemental to lower, not totally offset, the cost of the phone calls.

If its somehow wrong to be compensated for CNAM dips then I would
suggest its wrong to switch to voip or open source tools or anything
else that similarly lowers the operating costs.

If you think people are trying to make a living solely out of CNAM dips,
then I would be amazed at anyone who is able ot do that short of waiting
for a 180 and then sending a BYE.  Since you have to generally sign a
contract saying you wont cache the data, I could see larger companies
like vonage targeted who provides CNAM for inbound calls.

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I know a couple of companies in India that are in the business of CNAM dips only, that is all they do.  They fix Alex's demographic of someone that collects money from CNAM dip sharing.

As far as I can tell, they will get a huge list (white pages) and call during the day.  Set the caller ID name to something that the avg person will not answer.

They let the call last two or three rings so the dip occurs and then they hangup.  If there is an answer, that number is scrubbed from the DB.

They could do this to a single number several times a day then multiply that by millions.

Many providers, starting with Quest (I think) started 50% (or whatever) ASR or pay a surcharge/fee/fine, whatever you want to call it.

This was also to combat the call centers that hungup before four rings so as not to get an answering machine.

Both are good ways to combat abuse since the telco's resources are being used and there is cost involved in that, and the old status quo, no revenue.

There are a few bad apples and they will spoil the bunch, but I am with Trixter.

If there is opportunity to make a little extra revenue while conducting a legitimate telephony intense business then why the heck would you not do it? 

How could it be considered bad?  You are just getting a taste of a much bigger piece of the pie.

I think that Alex was simply thinking of ANI dips as a business and not supplemental income.  Gut responses like that are very telling.

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