Re: [asterisk-biz] on the topic of fraud

Not how it works...

Data could be on drives that could allow the guys to continue doing what
they were doing, which is illegal in a way.

You can't leave a loaded gun in a killers hand, and just clone it

One of the reason they took it all, is to stop the hemorrhagic situation,
then to analyse,

There are tons of killswitch systems out there

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
>>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of C F
>>Sent: May-17-09 12:23 AM
>>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] on the topic of fraud
>>
>>I don't know what to tell you, but you can't close down a data center
>>for the purpose of collecting evidence. How hard is it to just clone
>>all the machines in there instead of taking them?
>>I have been by one such raid, they just close you down. Luckily the
>>place where I was happened on a Monday morning, on the Friday before
>>that they asked me how important it is to take the backup tapes off
>>site. I told them very. When I was called on Monday morning the first
>>thing I asked was if he had taken the tapes, when the answer was yes I
>>told him go home, I'm assuming they'll be done late afternoon you'll
>>have your network up and running tomorrow morning.
>>They left around 2PM, I ran to the wiz (remember them?) and bought
>>computers to replace the ones they took (4 in total) and he was up and
>>running around 11AM Tuesday.
>>My point, this was a small company with around 10 employees shut down
>>by an investigation. It turns out he was in the clear, but regardless
>>I don't see this justified when it can all be done with just cloning
>>the whole office instead of taking it away.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM, ContactTel Business
>><lists@contacttel.com> wrote:
>>> Faulkner should rot in jail.. as for the way they (the fbi) handled
>>things,
>>> it seems they had no choice, and i bet that credit card company was
>>> faulkners, and he was about to rip poor people's cards off..
>>>
>>> "
>>> Personally after the dealings I have had with Mike Faulkner, where be
>>> defaulted on $70k of long distance traffic with us under Union
>>Datacom, and
>>> then tried to open a new account three days later under Premier. When
>>we
>>> were doing our credit verifications and he answered the phone, he
>>said "oh
>>> well I guess you caught me". He has burnt more VOIP companies then
>>anyone I
>>> know"
>>>
>>> Nuf said.. this guy is guilty, of defrauding companies.. what's is
>>kids
>>> doing with 3 xboxes anyhow ? 8 ipods ?
>>>
>>> Let build something for that and who cares on stupid defamatory
>>laws.. let's
>>> host a list on a panama box and lets us all have access to it to
>>protects
>>> ourselves from repeat fraudsters.
>>>
>>> PS lets just hope we don't have the same hosting as he does lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
>>>>>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Trixter aka Bret McDanel
>>>>>Sent: May-16-09 8:22 PM
>>>>>To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
>>>>>Subject: [asterisk-biz] on the topic of fraud
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/04/data-centers-ra/
>>>>>
>>>>>Basically people forged credit references to get credit for
>>telephone
>>>>>service then did not pay the bills. because it is in essence credit
>>>>>extended to the companies, it qualifies as criminal fraud if you
>>make
>>>>>misleading or fradulent statements, and that is how the FBI got
>>>>>involved, that and there are big companies pushing them, if it was a
>>>>>small provider who made the same claim they would surely push it off
>>>>>saying "take it to civil court".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
>>>>>pgp key:
>>http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x8AE5C721
>>>>>
>>>>>
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